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  "title": "I have to say something as a chinese",
  "url": "https://www.reddit.com/r/ClaudeAI/comments/1weizes/i_have_to_say_something_as_a_chinese/",
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  "transcript": "You need to know, as a chinese, we be teached don't say that much since we were kids or you will get in trouble unless you have to.\n\nAs someone familiar with China’s AI community, I have a few thoughts on Anthropic’s recent accusations. A lot of the framing strikes me as either misleading or badly lacking context. A few points:\n\nFirst, the idea that a cheap model like DeepSeek would routinely have its requests forwarded to Claude makes little economic sense. It would be like ordering bottled water and being given wine for free.\n\nWhat often happens is the reverse. Because of Anthropic’s access policies, many Chinese users who need Claude rely on third-party API providers. Some shady providers “water down” the service by routing a fraction of requests to cheaper models to cut costs. So if ten requests are sent through a reseller, perhaps eight really go to Claude and two are silently diverted elsewhere. That kind of substitution is a real issue—but it points in the opposite direction from the narrative Anthropic is pushing. Not Deepseek or kimi route to Claude, is someone route Claude \n\n\n\nSecond, on the alleged military and biological-weapons examples: according to material already posted by other Chinese bloggers, at least some of the cited prompts were questions from university exams and can be found publicly online. And the only one thing i saw is anthropic \n\n\n\nThird, on “massive distillation”: yes, Chinese labs study outputs from other frontier models. But if a model and its training pipeline are built independently while engineers benchmark competitors and study their behavior, that is ordinary competitive research. But Chinese company do distillation, maybe 10% distillation and do 90% by themselve. \n\nCalling all of that “massive distillation” is like saying Ford engineers committed some grave offense because they bought and drove a Honda to see how it works. Competitor benchmarking is normal in virtually every engineering industry.\n\n\n\nFourth, the “tens of thousands of accounts” argument also needs context. Many Chinese AI users must use VPNs to access overseas services. Large numbers of unrelated users can therefore appear behind the same VPN providers, IP ranges, or exit nodes.\n\n\n\nNone of this proves that no abuse ever happened. It does mean the evidence should be interpreted carefully. API abuse, reseller model substitution, competitive benchmarking, and systematic model extraction are very different things—and shouldn’t be blurred together.\n\nI am not defending the CCP; I am simply fed up with being suppressed by Anthropic at the same time that I am being suppressed by the CCP. They treat the countless people who simply want to use cutting-edge AI as if we were demons, demonizing all Chinese people and companies. They view every Chinese person as evil and regard all our attempts to access their services as a threat to them.\n\n\n\n--- Top Comments ---\n\n\n[1 upvotes] **TL;DR of the discussion generated automatically after 200 comments.**\n\nYeah, the thread isn't really buying what OP is selling. The top comment points out that when someone says \"I'm not defending the CCP,\" it's classic Reddit \"armor stacking\" before they do just that.\n\nThe consensus here is that OP is missing the point of the accusation. It's not that Chinese companies are just reselling Claude on the cheap. **The core issue, as many have pointed out, is that they're allegedly using massive amounts of queries to distill Claude's reasoning capabilities to train their own competing models.**\n\nHere's the breakdown of the sentiment:\n\n*   **Strong Disagreement with OP:** The vast majority of upvoted comments believe the distillation is happening. Users pointed to a recent research paper (the \"reasoning jailbreak\" one) as pretty definitive evidence that the Kimi model was distilled from Claude. The \"it makes no economic sense\" argument was countered by explaining the value is in the training data, not the per-request cost.\n*   **\"They're Shady Anyway\":** Multiple users, some also identifying as Chinese, chimed in to say that Chinese companies have a long and well-documented history of\n\n[106 upvotes] as a Chinese, I know when a Chinese say 'I am not defending the CCP.' he is about to defend it. We call it '叠甲‘ or armor stacking.\n\n[80 upvotes] Part of the Anthropic accusation of routing request to Claude is, those companies using the answer from Claude for these queries to train their model\n\n[48 upvotes] As a Chinese, I know how shady Chinese companies are..\n\n[46 upvotes] Distillation is why AI is fundamentally a bad business. \nIf a company spend 50 million train a model, another just need to spend few hundred thousands to a million to have enough data to make a model roughly on the same level.\n\nIs like complaining that people learning at school one time will teach to others. It's a giant pile of bullshit.",
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